Some thoughts from Jon Talton
February 6, 2008 by Lyle Plocher comments (7)Many of you may remember Jon Talton. Jon was a resident of Central Phoenix and a Columnist with the Arizona Republic for 7 years. Jon has moved on to live in Seattle but is maintaining some ties to Phoenix and is actually authoring a Blog where he comments on both Phoenix and Seattle. John will be contributing his thoughts on Phoenix a couple of times a month here at www.downtownphoenixjournal.com .
Here is Jon's first article:
I moved from Phoenix to Seattle last August. In Phoenix I lived in the center city (in Midtown, where I had grown up), just like I did in every other city in which I have lived. I’m an urbanite. I get the creeps in the suburbs. So naturally, I’m in the downtown Seattle neighborhood of Belltown – formerly edgy, now gentrifying at jet speed. I love it. But it also brings up some thoughts for Phoenix.
First, some of the big amenities and assets I enjoy here.
--Everything is walkable. This is a pedestrian city. The world famous Pike Place Market is only a few blocks away. The shopping district, with Nordstrom, Macy’s, and hundreds of shops is a quarter mile away; it was magical during Christmas. One doesn’t need a car here. So when you hear people scream about Seattle traffic, I say, huh?
--Transit is easy, reliable and frequent, with a large bus system, a new streetcar linking downtown with the Lake Union biotech district, commuter trains and light rail coming in 2009. Even suburbanites have the choice to take transit and many do. Everybody here takes transit; it’s not just poor folks.
--Land use is smarter. Unlike Phoenix, Seattle doesn’t have block after block of empty land in its core. Historic buildings are rehabbed, not left empty or torn down.
--Private capital rules. There’s an amazing condo boom, even now – cranes all over the skyline. Also, hotels and offices keep rising. Major companies have their headquarters here. Safeco moved in from the University District last year. Amazon is moving to new offices in the Lake Union area adjacent to downtown. None of this is driven by the city or any governmental entity. It’s private investment, the bedrock of any successful downtown.
--Downtown is the hub. From offices to all modes of transportation (ferries, Amtrak, commuter trains, intercity, suburban and city buses) to arts and entertainment to high quality neighborhoods, it all converges downtown.
--Downtown is diverse, with everybody from executives and techies to the homeless living downtown.
But how to transplant these lessons to Phoenix, which not only lacks Seattle’s diverse, quality economy, but also has spent years decentralizing and clear-cutting its downtown? Phoenix faces some unique challenges. But one thing is clear: the region’s fate will suffer without a great center city. With it, Phoenix can attract urban talent and pioneer the living arrangements that the future will demand.
In future dispatches, I’ll touch on these opportunities, some of which won’t be a surprise to my old readers from the Arizona Republic. In general, Phoenix must find ways to concentrate assets downtown, attract private capital and jobs, and add quality of life, all the while working with its de-facto big enchilada: ASU. The biggest need is shade, grass and other natural cooling elements. It may seem counterintuitive in a desert, until you realize how human civilization has survived for centuries in such places: the oasis.
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Compared to cities like San Francisco and NYC, Seattle is not dense AT ALL...I've lived in SF and NYC and didn't need a car (in fact, it would have been less convenient to have one). Now I live in Seattle, and I find a car to be necessary...
Also, I agree, Belltown sucks...its so sterile and corporate feeling...Seattle's neighborhoods, even Capitol Hill and Ballard, are become less and less unique and interesting every year.
There is nothing, in terms of character, that can compare to Mission District or Tenderloin in SF, or even Hawthorne in Portland...
a couple more things that speak to your ignorance in this piece. "-Downtown is diverse, with everybody from executives and techies to the homeless living downtown." Diverse?!? how is that diverse? So you have people on the hi end of the economic chain (execs and techies, which by the way are increasingly becoming the same thing) and homeless people. WOW SO DIVERSE!! Downtown, and more specifically belltown used to house plenty of middle income and lower income people (artists, musicians, service industry folk, young people just starting out etc.) AND techies, execs and what not. now all the middle and lower income people are gone (except for the homeless) how is this diverse?
Secondly, you say "a new streetcar linking downtown with the Lake Union biotech district" umm wow.... have you been to this "biotech district" there is fred hutch, and um hooters and um well thats it (yes i know there are a few other restaraunts next to hooters and one or two office bldgs near fred hutch.) most my friends in the city call it the hooters xpress and i dont know a single person who has ridden it, have you? the other end of the line is a shopping center (westlake) and the whole route is a mile long maybe? so i guess if you work at fred hutch and you want to go have lunch at westlake, you are set!! or you work at westlake and want to go to hooters for lunch. take a look sometime..... the train usually has 1 person on it if any. considering all the transportation issues facing this area, i dont know a single person who believes this was money well spent. (except for the mayor and Paul Allen, who owns most the area the train runs through and is putting so many condos up that they are not even selling) alot of my friends refer to south lake union as "Allentown"
Its funny that somebody new to seattle would find belltown so great. it sucks, i used to be pretty cool (mid 90's) but now its just overpriced condos and restaraunts, and is ripe with weekend partygoers (ie: suburban yahoos coming to party) becoming increasingly violent. It is a very expensive neighborhood to live in. When Mr. Talton says he doesnt see any of the traffic problems because the city is so walkable? i have lived within 3 miles of the downtown core all 35 years of my life. a car is needed cause not everything is downtown. We all dont want to always shop at macys or the market. Just the jackholes that have moved into and can afford belltown do. Go back to phoenix ... please
In all seriousness, how are you going to compare Seattle and Phoenix? I lived in Seattle for 5 years and I loved it. It was an amazing place with an amazing way of life. Mom and Pop stores were everywhere. It is something that I miss about the area but something that I am increasingly finding in downtown.
To that point, I moved from Seattle (then to NYC) to Phoenix and, more specifically, Copper Square. Sure the public market isn't Pikes...but if people could grow flowers like that in AZ, this city would be much greener. There is a lot of talent at the market and it is just getting bigger. Once they have their indoor space, they will change the landscape of the area in the same way that Pikes did.
To say that Seattle is walkable is a joke. To begin, Seattle is about as wide as the city of Scottsdale is. To compare that to a city like Phoenix is absurd. Also, the fact that they are surrounded by water on two sides (with a lock on the north) the real estate is a premium and the water views drive real estate costs. If we all had water views from downtown Phx, people would have lived there a long time ago. THAT is what differentiates Phoenix from other large cities. NYC, LA, Chicago, Seattle, Boston, DC, etc.... Those places were forced to build high density because land with views is premium. Look at how Tempe has developed around the lake. A highrise view in downtown phoenix gets you a view of rooftops and dust. The sprawl of the city will forever make it un-walkable. That doesn't mean we can't create cores of areas that are connected via light (or heavy) rail.
Finally, Belltown sucks. There are about 15 better neighborhoods in Seattle that rock better than yuppie-ville Belltown. Get a clue. I love how yuppies are all impressed by the same thing. Its like the Pei Wei on 7th Ave...they built it and all of a sudden the area is CRAWLING with them.
In the end, we will never be Seattle or anything like it. If people want Seattle, MOVE TO SEATTLE. If people want no earthquakes, no rain, no HILLS (walkable?), no terrible I-5 traffic, and no outrageous sales/property tax ... then they can move here.
And compared to cities like San Francisco or New York, Seattle is not dense AT ALL...I lived in SF and NYC and didnt need a car, now I live in Seattle and I find a car to be necessary.
Why are you wasting your time giving a platform to Jon Talton? Talton did nothing to improve Phoenix. He was a force of negativity during his time at the Republic and is now striking back at the city he loves to hate from exile in Seattle. Read his comments carefully. All he does is smugly assert Seattle's superiority over Phoenix -- just as he routinely asserted the superiority of Denver, Charlotte, and other places in his Republic columns. Let's leave Talton alone and stop giving him a soapbox for his toxic negativity. If Talton continues to appear on this blog, you've lost me as a reader.
Portland has public transportation. Seattle's is not so great. The weather sucks in both cities.